Login
Social Login
Register
Menu
Home
Forum Home
Site Home
Ancient Greek Dictionary
Help
Forum Help
FAQ
Rules
Converters...
Currency
Measurements
Polytonic to Monotonic
Greeklish
Beta Code
Gibberish
Tmx to text
Excel to tmx
Excel to MultiTerm
Utilities...
Fix final -n
Word Macros
Rule of three calculator
Greek accentuator
Fix punctuation
E-mail clean up
Calculator
What's new
Search
Forum Search
Search Tools
Magic Search
How to
Forum
EN⇄EL
All langs
Google
Greek
DE⇄EL
FR⇄EL
IT⇄EL
ES⇄EL
TR⇄EL
Resources
LA⇄EN/EL
EN🠒EL MS
AncientGR
LSJ
Translation - Μετάφραση
»
Translation Assistance
»
Other language pairs
»
Ancient Greek→English translation forum
»
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
sappho
·
7 ·
171
« previous
next »
Print
Pages:
1
Go Down
sappho
Semi-Newbie
Posts:
7
Gender:
Female
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
on:
28 Oct, 2019, 20:55:15
Hello all,
Can someone explain me the use of the genitive (δυοῖν ἀρχῶν, ὑλικῆς and δραστικῆς) in this sentence:
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχῶν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς, ὡς Ἱπποκράτης ὑπελάμβανεν;
It refers to Galen's De Semine:
http://cmg.bbaw.de/epubl/online/cmg_05_03_01.php
.
Thanks a lot.
«
Last Edit: 29 Oct, 2019, 01:09:12 by billberg23
»
spiros
Administrator
Hero Member
Posts:
854213
Gender:
Male
point d’amour
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς
Reply #1 on:
28 Oct, 2019, 21:25:53
What is the use and what is the power of semen?
Is it to be reckoned as two principles, the material and the active, as Hippocrates supposed
, or only one of them, the efficient, as in the opinion of Aristotle...
«
Last Edit: 28 Oct, 2019, 21:27:49 by spiros
»
LSJ.gr — Look up Multiple Greek, Ancient Greek and Latin dictionaries
sappho
Semi-Newbie
Posts:
7
Gender:
Female
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς
Reply #2 on:
28 Oct, 2019, 22:00:48
Thank you Spiros, the translation I also have, but I wanted to understand why did the author used the genitive here...
billberg23
Hero Member
Posts:
6318
Gender:
Male
Words ail me.
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς
Reply #3 on:
28 Oct, 2019, 23:15:26
Cf.
LSJ
s.v. λόγος III 6: Τhe word λόγος has many, many shades of meaning, including (as here) "rationale" or "function." Galen's genitive is dependent on λόγος under that meaning: "Does it have the function of two principles," "Does it have the rationale of two principles" (or "of principles twain," to use the English dual).
«
Last Edit: 29 Oct, 2019, 01:10:54 by billberg23
»
Τί δέ τις; Τί δ' οὔ τις; Σκιᾶς ὄναρ ἄνθρωπος.
— In memory of
William Berg (1938-2021)
sappho
Semi-Newbie
Posts:
7
Gender:
Female
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς
Reply #4 on:
28 Oct, 2019, 23:48:11
Thank you, billberg23, I was stuck because I wasn't linking λόγος to that meaning; I was using the french dictionary Bailly and ἔχειν λόγον appeared as a specific meaning "être conforme à la raison, être juste ou raisonnable", but now it makes sense. Yes, λόγος has a lot of shades of meaning, but I love the word :)
spiros
Administrator
Hero Member
Posts:
854213
Gender:
Male
point d’amour
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
Reply #5 on:
29 Oct, 2019, 08:39:21
Have a look here. I guess you use Bailly version abrégée?
https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%82
This is from the full version:
https://archive.org/details/BaillyDictionnaireGrecFrancais/page/n1199
«
Last Edit: 29 Oct, 2019, 09:17:18 by spiros
»
LSJ.gr — Look up Multiple Greek, Ancient Greek and Latin dictionaries
sappho
Semi-Newbie
Posts:
7
Gender:
Female
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
Reply #6 on:
29 Oct, 2019, 15:33:05
No, I am using the same version as you, in the third column of the page 1200, in the middle of the page, you can find the meaning I mentioned. I tried to attached the image but I couldn't do that.
Print
Pages:
1
Go Up
Translation - Μετάφραση
»
Translation Assistance
»
Other language pairs
»
Ancient Greek→English translation forum
»
ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς → does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?
Search Tools
Search
This topic
This board
Entire forum
Google
Bing
Username
Password
Always stay logged in
Forgot your password?