Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος -> offspring of Achilles

spiros

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Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος -> of women?
https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%8D%CE%BC%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82

σκύμνος, ὁ και ἡ, νεογέννητο ζώο, νεογνό, ιδίως νεογνό του λιονταριού,
λιονταράκι, σε Ομήρ. Ιλ., Ηρόδ., Αττ.· λέγεται για άλλα ζώα, σε Ευρ., Πλούτ.·
στους ποιητές επίσης λέγεται για ανθρώπους, Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος, σε Ευρ.
https://www.stipsi.gr/lexiko-l&s/ro-see-taf/sigma/1171-1181.pdf

αναφέρεται ως «Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος» (στ.1.169-1.170). Εικονίζεται δηλαδή ως μικρό λιονταράκι
http://ikee.lib.auth.gr/record/101201/files/gri-2008-1210.pdf
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Said of animals:  cub, whelp (male).  Said of humans:  offspring (male or female).
Cf. English "kid" (offspring of goat or human), "urchin" (hedgehog or human child), and such affectionate or contemptuous designations of human offspring as "horses," "rugrats," etc.
Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος ("offspring of Achilles," Euripides, Andromache 1170) refers to Neoptolemus, not to a woman.  However, in Euripides, Orestes 1213, 1387, σκύμνος does refer to a female child.
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This is what I don't get:

 in poets also of men, Ἀχίλλειος σκύμνος E.Andr.1170 (anap.), cf. Rh.381 (anap.); of women, Id.Or.1213, 1387 (lyr.).
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"E.Andr.1170" (i.e. "Euripides, Andromache 1170," where the "whelp" is a male, Neoptolemus), and "Id.Or.1213, 1387" (i.e., "Euripides, Orestes 1213 & 1387," where the "whelps" are female, Hermione and Helen), are lines from two separate tragedies.



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Yes, his male offspring, Neoptolemus (Andromache 1170) — whereas the "whelps" of Orestes 1213 and 1387 are female:  Hermione (offspring of Helen and Menelaus) and Helen (offspring of Leda and Zeus). 
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