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Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« on: 18 Jun, 2007, 23:08:21 »

Αντιγράφω εδώ αυτό το ποστ από άλλο νήμα, μπας και τύχει της δέουσας προσοχής, ανάμεσα στα χαρωπά τιτιβίσματα και την ανεμελιά αυτού του φόρουμ.

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=719730

Θα ήθελα να ξέρω τί θα κάνει με αυτό ο κος Πολύδωρας!
Προς το παρόν κάνει τον απορημένο* που το βίντεο βγήκε στη δημοσιότητα ένα χρόνο μετά. Λες και αυτό μας μάρανε, ή λες και είναι τόσο περίεργο. Η λογική πίσω από την "απορία" του υπουργού είναι προφανής: με το που μπήκαμε σε άτυπη προεκλογική περίοδο έσκασε το βίντεο, άρα πρόκειται για συκοφαντία των αντιπάλων. Ένα κι ένα κάνουν δύο...

*Εκφράζω, ωστόσο, την απορία μου πώς είναι δυνατόν το συγκεκριμένο βίντεο που τραβήχτηκε το καλοκαίρι του 2006 να δίδεται στη δημοσιότητα ένα χρόνο μετά και 24 ώρες μετά την άνανδρη επίθεση που δέχθηκε από ομάδα γνωστών αγνώστων ο υποδιοικητής των ΜΑΤ, Χρήστος Κονταρίδης, ο οποίος βρισκόταν εκτός υπηρεσίας στην Τεχνόπολη στο Γκάζι για να παρακολουθήσει με την οικογένειά του εκδήλωση του Δήμου Αθηναίων.
http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=810355

Μόλις διάβασα στο in.gr το εξής ανατριχιαστικό, εάν αληθεύει: Στην οδό Κατεχάκη επικρατεί έντονος εκνευρισμός, καθώς γνωρίζουν ότι κυκλοφορούν στα κινητά των αστυνομικών δεκάδες παρόμοια βίντεο σαν αυτό που είδε το φως της δημοσιότητας.
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Re: Fun for cops
« Reply #1 on: 18 Jun, 2007, 23:57:42 »
Παρόμοιο όχι, αλλά κι αυτό από το εσωτερικό της αστυνομίας. Κυκλοφορεί εδώ και μήνες στο youtube. Μεγαλώνει, μεγαλώνει γερά παιδιά... (η μαλακία).
« Last Edit: 19 Jun, 2007, 14:05:42 by spiros »

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jun, 2007, 16:19:58 »
Σημασία δεν έχει τί θα κάνει ο Πολύδωρας, αλλά τί θα πράξει ο αρμόδιος εισαγγελέας κατά το στάδιο άσκησης ποινικής δίωξης και τί οι αρμόδιοι τακτικοί δικαστές κατά την προδικασία και την κύρια διαδικασία. Δεν υπάρχουν και πολλά περιθώρια. Ευτυχώς που υπάρχει το βίντεο, γιατί διαφορετικά...

  Βασανιστήρια και άλλες προσβολές της ανθρώπινης αξιοπρέπειας

                             Αρθρο 137Α ΠΚ

         1.Υπάλληλος ή στρατιωτικός, στα καθήκοντα του οποίου  ανάγεται
 η  δίωξη  ή  η  ανάκριση  ή η εξέταση αξιόποινων πράξεων ή πειθαρχικών
 παραπτωμάτων ή η εκτέλεση ποινών ή η φύλαξη ή η επιμέλεια κρατουμένων,
 τιμωρείται  με  κάθειρξη,  εάν  υποβάλλει  σε  βασανιστήρια  κατά  την
 εκτέλεση  αυτών  των καθηκόντων πρόσωπο που βρίσκεται στην εξουσία του
 με σκοπό: α) να αποσπάσει από  αυτό  ή  από  τρίτο  πρόσωπο  ομολογία,
 κατάθεση,  πληροφορία ή δήλωση ιδίως αποκήρυξης ή αποδοχής πολιτικής ή
 άλλης ιδεολογίας  β) να το τιμωρήσει  γ) να  εκφοβίσει  αυτό  ή  τρίτα
 πρόσωπα.
         Με  την  ίδια ποινή τιμωρείται υπάλληλος ή στρατιωτικός που με
 εντολή των προϊσταμένων του ή αυτοβούλως σφετερίζεται τέτοια καθήκοντα
 και τελεί τις πράξεις του προηγούμενου εδαφίου.
         2.   Βασανιστήρια  συνιστούν,  σύμφωνα  με   την   προηγούμενη
 παράγραφο,   κάθε  μεθοδευμένη  πρόκληση  έντονου  σωματικού  πόνου  ή
 σωματικής εξάντλησης επικίνδυνης για την υγεία ή ψυχικού πόνου  ικανού
 να επιφέρει σοβαρή ψυχική βλάβη, καθώς και κάθε παράνομη χρησιμοποίηση
 χημικών,  ναρκωτικών  ή  άλλων  φυσικών  ή  τεχνικών μέσων με σκοπό να
 κάμψουν τη βούληση του θύματος.
         3.  Σωματική  κάκωση,  βλάβη  της  υγείας,  άσκηση   παράνομης
 σωματικής  ή  ψυχολογικής  βίας  και  κάθε  άλλη  σοβαρή  προσβολή της
 ανθρώπινης  αξιοπρέπειας,  που  τελείται  από  τα  πρόσωπα,  υπό   τις
 περιστάσεις  και  για τους σκοπούς που προβλέπει η παρ.  1, εφόσον δεν
 υπάγεται στην έννοια της παρ. 2, τιμωρείται με φυλάκιση τουλάχιστον  3
 ετών,  αν  δεν  τιμωρείται βαρύτερα με άλλη διάταξη.  Ως προσβολές της
 ανθρώπινης αξιοπρέπειας θεωρούνται ιδίως: α) η χρησιμοποίηση ανιχνευτή
 αλήθειας  β)  η  παρατεταμένη  απομόνωση  γ)  η  σοβαρή  προσβολή  της
 γενετήσιας αξιοπρέπειας.
         4.   Δεν  υπάγονται  στην  έννοια  του  άρθρου αυτού πράξεις ή
 συνέπειες συμφυείς προς τη νόμιμη  εκτέλεση  ποινής  ή  άλλου  νόμιμου
 περιορισμού  της  ελευθερίας  ή  προς  άλλο  νόμιμο  μέτρο δικονομικού
 καταναγκασμού.

Τα βασανιστήρια βρίσκονται στο κεφάλαιο του ΠΚ που αφορά στις προσβολές του πολιτεύματος και για αυτό πράξεις που υπό άλλες συνθήκες μπορεί να τιμωρούνται και με φυλάκιση μερικών ημερών καθίστανται κακουργηματικές λόγω των ιδιάζουσων συνθηκών.

Αλλά πέρα από αυτό όλοι κόπτωνται για την εικόνα που προκαλούν τέτοια φαινόμενα στο κύρος της χώρας κτλ και ελάχιστοι σκέφτονται την ταπείνωση
και την εξαθλίωση που υπέστησαν οι άνθρωποι αυτοί ακόμα και αν είναι ένοχοι.
Από την άλλη , σκηνοθετικά και σεναριακά, η ΕΛ.ΑΣ πάσχει και το πιο επικίνδυνο από όλα είναι ο χαμηλός δείκτης νοημοσύνης των στελεχών της.
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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jun, 2007, 16:25:41 »
Έχω παρακολουθήσει από κοντά την υπόθεση του Κούρδου μετανάστη Necati Zontul, ο οποίος υπέστη βιασμό με γκλομπ από Έλληνα λιμενικό καθώς γνωρίζω τον Tim Wilson που κίνησε τη διαδικασία. Ένα πράγμα έχω να πω, η αναλγησία και η ατιμωρησία είναι απίστευτες.

Necati Zontul was one of 165 men women and children, mostly Turks, tortured by the Greeks on Crete in 2001. Necati was one of two men, the other called Youssef who were raped by a Coastguard officer Dandoulakis with a police baton. Despite repeated letters to the judiciary and government, Necati has never been given information about the progress of the case. When he was in Greece, he was harassed and threatened by men who did not want him to testify against his assailants. This is only one of many human rights’ abuses that have taken place recently in Greece. Other cases involve the electroculion of Joseph Okeke, a Nigerian (the police believe there is no case to answer, and “under interrogation” by Brigadier Moustakas, Head of the Aliens police, Okeke supposedly withdrew his evidence. The NGO helping him, however, says he denies this, and the case will go to the European Court of Human Rights), Olga B, who was raped by police (but never received notice of her court case), the Johnson family, beaten up for questioning the taste of a souvlaki, Arnesto Nesto, beaten at Megara police station, Albanian Vullnet Bytyci whose murderer, a policeman, remains free after the trial was postponed agsin, and 30-60 Afghans beaten up and tortured by police in Agias Panteleimonas, a suburb of Athens in December 2004. The two men charged with the Afghan torture have still not been brought to trial. Please remember when you read the details of this case that this story takes place in Greece and in a country that has openly criticized the human rights record of countries currently applying for membership of the EU. In contrast to Turkey, Greece does not recognize male rape in law and only recognizes an act of “degrading human treatment” to be torture if it involved interrogation. We call on everyone to speak out against such abuse!
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/72024.php
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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #4 on: 19 Jun, 2007, 16:36:57 »
Αλλά πέρα από αυτό όλοι κόπτωνται για την εικόνα που προκαλούν τέτοια φαινόμενα στο κύρος της χώρας κτλ και ελάχιστοι σκέφτονται την ταπείνωση και την εξαθλίωση που υπέστησαν οι άνθρωποι αυτοί ακόμα και αν είναι ένοχοι.
Πόσο δίκιο έχεις!

Από την άλλη, σκηνοθετικά και σεναριακά, η ΕΛ.ΑΣ πάσχει και το πιο επικίνδυνο από όλα είναι ο χαμηλός δείκτης νοημοσύνης των στελεχών της.
Από τα οποία στελέχη, φοβάμαι, δε θα «ξεβρωμίσει» ποτέ ούτε η ΕΛ.ΑΣ., ούτε κάποιο άλλο σώμα του ελληνικού δημοσίου.
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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #5 on: 26 Jun, 2007, 21:43:31 »
I am pleased to see there is serious debate about this abuse. It needs to be linked to the torture of my partner Necati Zontul and the 164 men women and children tortured in Crete in 2001, of Afghans in 2004, of Pakistanis in 2005, of Albanians in 2006, and of countless individuals, both Greek and foreign who have suffered at the hands of the Greek police and border authorities; but particularly, it must be linked to the beating of Dimitri Avgoustino last year. This was another instance when the Greek Government seemed to admit responsibility for torture, but it too was an illusion. Recently, following an appeal in 2006 to which my partner Necati Zontul was not invited, and following an attempt by the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs to lie to the British Foreign Office about the date when his case finished, we have received a number of documents relating to the 2004 trial of Coastguardsmen and the initial witness statements taken in 2001. While important documents are missing, nevertheless, we now have a copy of the initial "translation" of Necati's testimony in 2001- it is a farcical document that is a gross mistranslation of what he told translator Liza Turkuman. It demonstrates the lengths the Greek Authorities will go to protect their own, and also shows how far they are prepared to pervert the course of justice. Despite repeated requests of the Prime minister and President, there has been no apology and no statement of non-recurrence. Indeed these recent events demonstrate very clearly how keenly the Greek Police continue to practice torture! There has been no offer of compensation. This rudeness and silence follows a guilty verdict that was upheld by the Appellate court in 2006 (even if we overlook the ridiculously light sentence that was finally given to Dandoulakis and Vardakis).

In the circumstances, we hold the Greek President personally responsible for the actions of men in uniform and we have repeatedly demanded an apology - we shall soon begin to demand his resignation!

As His Grace the Achbishop of Athens, Christodoulos, was approached by us in 2003 and responded on National Television that evening with the pronouncement that All Turks are Barbarians, and refused to condemn the implicit racism of the men who tortured Necati and 164 fellow victims, we believe it is time for Christodoulos to resign. He styles himself the moral heart of Greece and while he has continued to be silent in the face of so many instances of torture, and while he has continued to espouse extreme Nationalist views, the Police and Coastguardsmen may draw the opinion that what they have done is condoned by the State Religion. It is a pity he has recently been diagnosed with cancer, but maybe he should seize the opportunity of ill-health to resign his office and surrender his episcopal office to a man who might better judge the mood of the Greek people. I believe that the Greek people do not accept the barbarous behaviour of those who torture and abuse others. I believe they are shocked by recent news.

I am very grateful that Spiros has posted the summary above! Thanks. A video will shortly be posted on Youtube that was intended to promote our two films about Necati's torture- A TORTURE CARTOON and A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE, but now the Youtube postings will also feature a commentary on the recent abuse of Albanians, of an unnamed foreigner and of transexuals in Athens. I have no doubt other abuse will emerge in the next few weeks, as I also have no doubt the Government will nod like demented chickens at the need for justice and that nothing will ever be done- or if, as in the rare case of Necati, enough International pressure is applied, a show trial will attempt to whitewash the whole sorry saga.

I should add incidentally that the Greek Ombudsman, independently of either Necati or myself, has condemned the trials of the Coastguard as bringing into disrepute Greece's commitment to Human Rights. The Ombudsman points to serious discrepencies in the presentation of evidence between an initial EDE in 2001 and the final Appeal in 2006.
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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #6 on: 27 Jun, 2007, 01:27:30 »
Tim,

Thank you for writing the story, many Greeks are unaware of these atrocities as well as the fact that there has been no retribution for them. Kindly update us on the issue by posting here.

I look forward to seeing your films.

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #7 on: 12 Jul, 2007, 02:17:28 »
http://www.vuze.com/details/64ZRMU73XCRDP4SJTBKQUEIMPUBOLTBZ.html


This is a first version of a video response to the torture in Athens and elsewhere and also a preview of the film that Necati and I are making about his ordeal at the hands of the Greek Coastguard in 2001 and more recently at the hands of the Greek legal system. A second video will be published shortly which will concentrate on the "travesty of Justice" as well as the role played by Archbishop Christodoulos and his cronies to stir up racism and inflame xenophobia. Until there is a clear condemnation of torture by all politicians and activists across Europe, I am certain that events like those screened on Youtube will continue, and I have no doubt that the Greek police and security personnel will be at the forefront of torture in Europe.

It is worrying that the Greek Government is convinced it has now agreed with Frontex to lead a pan-European Coastguard. There has been almost no protest at these plans so pressumably Europe also approves of the torture the Coastguard routinely commit.

Please ciurculate this film and details. A screenable copy, correctly sized,  is available on request.
Tim

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #8 on: 12 Jul, 2007, 10:02:18 »
There is nothing I can say that can describe my horror at any form of abuse by any authority in any part of this world of ours.

I feel personally abused everytime such an attrocity is made public, and cannot help but wonder who human beings can do such things to other human beings. And, furthermore, I cannot understand why the authorities do nothing to remove these "sick" (the word is mild) people from our midst.

As for the Archbishop... all I can say is "God moves in mysterious ways".
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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #9 on: 23 Jul, 2007, 02:52:08 »
here is a better version of the preview film:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=3481705099

Please feel free to post responses and indeed post the video!

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #10 on: 24 Jul, 2007, 01:15:51 »
Tim,
I have to say I am appalled at every act of injustice and every act of infringement of human rights. I am also appalled at the way civil liberties are abused around the world.
After seeing your video, I really don't know what to say. More importantly, I don't know what to do. It's been a while since I wanted to post a response, but words are not enough.
That's just disgraceful. The incidence, the practice, the whole circle. Power should go hand in hand with a conscience.

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #11 on: 26 Jul, 2007, 22:10:22 »
thank you so much for such feedback. All we can do now it to make the whole sorry saga of torture, cover-up, deceit, threats and evasion as public as possible, and I hope in time Politicians around Europe will recognise that Torture is a European problem and not specifically a Greek problem. Beyond that, sadly, I hope that publicity will shame the current Greek Government (which attempted to lie to the British Government about the final date of the appeal, and so scupper any chance of taking the case to the ECHR) and the previous Pasok Government into a genuine apology: too many people have been tortured and abused by the Coastguard and the Police in Greece within the last few years and it does not creat a positive image of the country. Greece deserves far better than the thuigs in uniform who currently masquerade as guardians of the law. I shall be posting tyhe second preview shortly.

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Re: Greek cops abusing Albanians in police station
« Reply #12 on: 14 Aug, 2007, 03:09:41 »
 http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/peshku-peticion

Stop Human Rights Abuse of Immigrants in Greece


Target:
Mr. Jose Manuel Barroso, Mr. Terry Davis, and other EU officials
Created by:
Peshku Pa Uje (Fish Out of Water), an Albanian community
We the undersigned urge the leaders of the EU to respond to the recent demonstration of appalling discrimination and human rights violation by Greek authorities towards Albanian immigrants. The recent video of two immigrants slapping each other at the orders of a Greek police officer is an unacceptable example of institutional violence against the rights and dignity of human beings in Greece. We call on European institutions to act and stop this abuse!

Please visit this site to sign a petition

I am urging all members of Greek Indymedia to sign up: one wise Greek man has written these words: "I hope you all understand that this is NOT greece. THESE ARE THE AUTHORITIES. pigs do not have ethnicity. It is now our responsibility to fight crime made by the law."
I am also a victim of torture by the Greek authorities, and I absolutely endorse these words- the brutes who torture and the politicians and lawyers who protect them bring shame on the Nation. They are so different from the ordinary Greeks who I have met and many of whom I count as friends: but it is the police and the coastguard who meet the unfortunate foreigners who are tortured. DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY TO BE REPRESENTED BY THESE THUGS??? Please demand action and call for an end to torture!
Many thanks,
Necati

(pictures from my forthcoming film about my own experience of torture at the hands of the Greek Coastguard in 2001)

necati zontul   Tim Wilson