Αντήνωρ Εὐήνορος Αλσίτης -> Antenor, son of Euenor, of the Alsitai tribe

Euterpe

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I have a couple of questions about names and relationships.
I have found this in an inscription: ʼντήνωρ Εὐήνορος ʼλσίτης .
My translation would be "Antenor son of Euenor and Alsite".
Is there a specific order to be respected? Could it ever be "father/husband of Alsite" without using πατήρ or ἀνήρ? And how do we know that Alsite refers to Antenor and not Euenor? It seems logical, but I mean could it ever refer to Euenor?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: 14 Apr, 2008, 18:22:54 by spiros »


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Άλσίτης is nominative masculine singular and refers to Antenor's tribe, just as the third name of an Athenian would refer to his deme.  If you tell us where the inscription comes from, we may be able to tell you what to call this "Alsite," and whether his tribal name derives  from ἄλσος ("grove") or from something else. 
« Last Edit: 22 Sep, 2007, 20:52:03 by billberg23 »



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I was completely wrong! lol

This inscription comes from Aigiale on Amorgos. It is why I made this mistake because most of my inscriptions don't have any mention of deme or tribe.

How do you recognize a tribe from a third part such as "grandson of.." (I've seen a few like this)? And are women ever mentioned in those names? I was surprised by this inscription (and my POOR translation) because so far I have only seen "father of ...(a girl)". Women are never mentioned as ancestors.

Those names confuse me. A few lines farther, it reads "Κριτόλαος καὶ Παρμενίων οἰ  Άλκιμέδοντοσ". Does that mean "Kritolaos and Parmenion, sons of Alkimedon"?
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According to Nicholas F. Jones, at

 http://books.google.com/books?id=874uPf7WtX8C&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=aigiale&source=web&ots=hhtxIzvN13&sig=D_RHaL9CJpigzHHOY1qUTbewuyE#PPA214,M1,

an ʼΑλσίτης was a member of one of the four tribes of Aigiale.  The names of those tribes seem to be based on (unknown) personal names which probably belong to the mythical past.  It may be best, then, to refer to Antenor as "Euenor's son, of the tribe of the Alsitai."

As for distinguishing (in the third part of a name) between terms of ancestry and terms denoting provenance/deme/tribe, it's almost certain that any masculine genitive will refer to a grandfather, while a nominative ending in -ης or -ευς will refer to provenance.

Those sexist Greeks invariably used patronymics to refer to both males and females, unlike the Etruscans, who invariably used metronymics.

Finally, yes, you're absolutely right — both Kritolaos and Parmenion are sons of Alkimedon.
« Last Edit: 21 Feb, 2008, 08:30:09 by billberg23 »



 

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