Author Topic: ἐφάνθης | φανέν (Sophocles, Antigone 100-102) -> you appeared | having appeared  (Read 1454 times)

cabolt

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I'm working on Sophocles' Antigone without any knowledge of ancient Greek.  I was wondering if any one could help me out with these two words φανὲν and ἐφάνθης.  What do they mean in English?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Sophocles
« Reply #1 on: 11 Nov, 2007, 06:22:20 »
These are past participial and past indicative forms, respectively, of the verb φαίνομαι, which means, basically, "appear."  Give us the verse numbers, and we'll find a translation suitable to your context.
Τί δέ τις; Τί δ' οὔ τις; Σκιᾶς ὄναρ ἄνθρωπος. — Πίνδαρος

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Re: Sophocles
« Reply #2 on: 11 Nov, 2007, 07:16:44 »
These are past participial and past indicative forms, respectively, of the verb φαίνομαι, which means, basically, "appear."  Give us the verse numbers, and we'll find a translation suitable to your context.

The verse number is 100-102.  The original is like this:

ἀκτὶς ἀελίου, τὸ κάλλιστον ἑπταπύλῳ φανὲν
Θήβᾳ τῶν προτέρων φάος,
ἐφάνθης ποτ᾽, ὦ χρυσέας


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Re: Sophocles
« Reply #3 on: 11 Nov, 2007, 08:34:15 »
Good.  The first form, φανὲν , modifies φάος (to which it's related etymologically):  "Ray of sun, of (all lights) before, the most beautiful light to have shone (literally, "having appeared") upon seven-gated Thebes..."
The second form, ἐφάνθης, is a direct address by the chorus to the sun:  "You once shone (appeared), O eye of golden day, after rising over the streams of Dirce,...

Quite a task you've taken upon yourself!  Anyone to help?
« Last Edit: 11 Nov, 2007, 08:52:52 by billberg23 »
Τί δέ τις; Τί δ' οὔ τις; Σκιᾶς ὄναρ ἄνθρωπος. — Πίνδαρος

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Re: ἐφάνθης | φανέν -> you appeared | having appeared
« Reply #4 on: 11 Nov, 2007, 20:08:09 »
Thank you so much! I think it's really helpful.^^