κείνους δὲ κλαίω ξυμφορᾷ κεχρημένους (Euripides' Medea 347) -> I weep for those who have suffered disaster

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So, in context, would the following read "I weep for those disasters which the oracle speaks of"?

κείνους δὲ κλαίω ξυμφορᾷ κεχρημένους.



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« Last Edit: 06 Oct, 2008, 06:02:09 by ChaceofSpades »
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Actually, Chace, we need to scroll down a bit in that citation from Liddell & Scott's dictionary that Spiros posted for you.  The participle in this context (Euripides, Medea 347) means "having suffered":

III. experience, suffer, be subject to, esp. external events or conditions, δάμαρτος 'Ιππολύτας Ἀκάστου δολίαις τέχναισι χρησάμενος having experienced, Pi.N.4.58; κείμεθ' ἀγηράντῳ χρώμενοι εὐλογίῃ Simon.100.4; νιφετῷ Hdt.4.50; στίβῃ καὶ νιφετῷ Call.Epigr.33.3; χειμῶνι Antipho 5.21, D.18.194; λαίλαπι AP7.503 (Leon.); στυγεροῖς πνεύμασι Epigr. ap. D.S.13.41 (iv B. C.); ἀνάγκῃ Antipho 5.22; οἰκεῖα πράγματ' εἰσάγων, οἷς χρώμεθ', οἷς σύνεσμεν Ar.Ra.959; γυναικῶν τῶν τοῖς τόκοις χρωμένων πλείοσιν Arist.HA582a24; ἀπεψίαις χ. IG42(1).126.4 (Epid., ii A. D.); ἑκὼν ..οὐδεὶς δουλίῳ χρῆται ζυγῷ A.Ag.953; νόμοισι χ. live under laws, Hdt. 1.173,216, cf. IG9(1).334.19 (Locr., v B. C.); νόμοις τοῖς ἰδίοις Riv.Fil.58.472 (Gortyn, iii B. C.); ἀνομίᾳ X.Mem.1.2.24; γαλανείᾳ χρησάμενοι μανιάδων οἴστρων E.IA546 (lyr.); χ. εὐμαρείᾳ to be at ease, S.Tr.193 (but, ease oneself, Hdt.2.35); συντυχίῃ χ. Id.5.41; τύχῃ E.Heracl.714, And.1.67,120; πολλῇ εὐτυχίᾳ Pl.Men.72a; πολλῇ τῇ νίκῃ χρῆται, = παρὰ πολὺ νικᾷ, And.4.31; συμφορῇ κεχρημένος Hdt.1.42, cf. E.Med.347;

So the line actually means "I weep for them who have suffered disaster."


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Not at all.  You're aces in my book, Champ, for getting so much so early.  Remember, I've got 50 years of Greek on you!
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