απήδαλος ναυς -> rudderless ship, ship without steering oars, ship steered by thought

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rudderless ship, απήδαλος ναύς -> rudderless ship, (Phaeacian) ship steered by thought, ship without steering oars (motto of Kerkyra/Corfu <Phaiakia)


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« Last Edit: 08 Jun, 2012, 09:53:22 by spiros »
"Io non odio persona al mondo, ma vi sono cert'uomini ch'io ho bisogno di vedere soltanto da lontano".
Ugo Foscolo - "Ultime lettere di Jacopo Ortis"


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"Rudderless ship," "ship without steering oars."  A reference to the miraculous seafaring ability of the Phaeacians (Phaeacia = Kerkyra) who bring Odysseus home to Ithaca while he sleeps in Odyssey 13.  See references at http://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%AE%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%8D%CF%82&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA.



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I like Rudderless ship , thank you billberg!  :)

http://www.corfuhistory.eu/11814/
"Io non odio persona al mondo, ma vi sono cert'uomini ch'io ho bisogno di vedere soltanto da lontano".
Ugo Foscolo - "Ultime lettere di Jacopo Ortis"


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To my ear "rudderless ship" has a negative connotation, I wouldn't use it unless I wanted to use a metaphor or simile about something that was unable to be controlled.

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Πουλιὰ τὸ βάρος τῆς καρδιᾶς μας ψυλὰ μηδενίζοντας καὶ πολὺ γαλάζιο ποὺ ἀγαπήσαμε!  (Ἐλύτης)



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Yeah, that worried me a bit, too, Maria.  How about "ship that needs no rudder" or "ship that needs no steering"?  (But can't you imagine all the political jokes back in the days when that motto was first adopted?  Or maybe no one was really paying attention.  "Just give us some ancient Greek, we don't care what ... No one will read it, anyway ...")   ((-:


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Maybe what we are looking for is "ship steered by thought".  I'm sure a pollie's spin doctor would like this version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaeacia#The_Phaiakian_ships

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  P.S.  What's a pollie?

I'll happily lend you my copy of Barrie Humphries' Life and Death of Sandy Stone for a crash-course in Australian English ;)
Πουλιὰ τὸ βάρος τῆς καρδιᾶς μας ψυλὰ μηδενίζοντας καὶ πολὺ γαλάζιο ποὺ ἀγαπήσαμε!  (Ἐλύτης)


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« Last Edit: 12 Jan, 2011, 14:46:11 by iogo »
"Io non odio persona al mondo, ma vi sono cert'uomini ch'io ho bisogno di vedere soltanto da lontano".
Ugo Foscolo - "Ultime lettere di Jacopo Ortis"


 

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