ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχαῖν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς -> does it in fact have the function of two principles, the material and the active?

sappho

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Hello all,

Can someone explain me the use of the genitive (δυοῖν ἀρχῶν, ὑλικῆς and δραστικῆς) in this sentence:

ἆρά γε λόγον ἔχει δυοῖν ἀρχῶν, ὑλικῆς τε καὶ δραστικῆς, ὡς Ἱπποκράτης ὑπελάμβανεν;

It refers to Galen's De Semine: http://cmg.bbaw.de/epubl/online/cmg_05_03_01.php.

Thanks a lot.
« Last Edit: 29 Oct, 2019, 01:09:12 by billberg23 »


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What is the use and what is the power of semen? Is it to be reckoned as two principles, the material and the active, as Hippocrates supposed, or only one of them, the efficient, as in the opinion of Aristotle...
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Thank you Spiros, the translation I also have, but I wanted to understand why did the author used the genitive here...


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Cf. LSJ s.v. λόγος III 6:  Τhe word λόγος has many, many shades of meaning, including (as here) "rationale" or "function."  Galen's genitive is dependent on λόγος under that meaning: "Does it have the function of two principles,"  "Does it have the rationale of two principles" (or "of principles twain," to use the English dual).
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sappho

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Thank you, billberg23, I was stuck because I wasn't linking λόγος to that meaning; I was using the french dictionary Bailly and ἔχειν λόγον appeared as a specific meaning "être conforme à la raison, être juste ou raisonnable", but now it makes sense. Yes, λόγος has a lot of shades of meaning, but I love the word :)



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No, I am using the same version as you, in the third column of the page 1200, in the middle of the page, you can find the meaning I mentioned. I tried to attached the image but I couldn't do that.


 

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