κατ' ἰδίας δὲ φιλοτιμίας -> but with regard to private ambition

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κατ' ἰδίας -> private matters, personal matters?

generally, having relation to public life, political, public, opp. κατ' ἰδίας
πολιτικός https://lsj.gr/wiki/%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%82
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On πολιτικός, LSJ's "generally, having relation to public life, political, public, opp. κατʼ ἰδίας, Th. 8.89" is extremely misleading and may stem from a misunderstanding of Thucydides' text at 8.89.3.  He says not κατʼ ἰδίας, but κατ᾽ ἰδίας δὲ φιλοτιμίας, "but with regard to private ambition," where the adjective ἴδιος has its usual meaning, "private."  The idiom for "privately" is κατ' ἰδίαν, not κατʼ ἰδίας.
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Some modern works appear to fix this:

πολιτικός: pubblico THUC. 8.89.3 (opp. a ἴδιος) XEN. Mem. 2.6.24 DEMOSTH. 18.311 ecc.  di donna meretrice PGRENF. 2.73 (IIIp)  fig. usuale, solito, ordinario XEN. Ag. 8.7 (carretto) ISOCR. 9.10 (parole) GAL. 2.299 (usi) ecc.; sost. ὁ πολιτικός l'uomo ordinario (opp. a ὁ ποιητής) PHRYN. 45  metr. corrente, un tipo di esametro SCH. HEPH. 294.1, al.
— Franco Montanari, GI - Vocabolario della lingua greca
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ὁ πολιτικός, "the man in the street," reminds me of the little short guy with a mustache who appeared for generations in newspaper "editorial" cartoons.  He always carried the label "John Q. Public."  Probably you have, or had, the same sort of figure in Greek media?


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Only online access at Brill is extortionate, via Logos software it is 125 USD and the print volume is 115 USD.
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