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IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« on: 13 Nov, 2004, 14:20:24 »
Welcome to the RULES....

We want to grow and keep the Translatum Greek Translation forum as a great forum for Greek translators. A place where can learn, share, and "dislocate language into meaning" together!

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2.  Do not use Greeklish!
English and Greek are the main languages of the forum. By all means other languages can also be used but try as much as possible to AVOID GREEKLISH! Greek is such a beautiful language and we should all be able to demonstrate at least a basic level of commitment to its beauty!

And if this argument does not move you, what sort of impression, really, would you give to a putative client who might be reading the forum and trying to find a translator to assign his/her job? That of one who cannot be bothered to write proper Greek. And if one cannot be bothered to write proper Greek why should they bother to deliver proper translations? You get my point...

There is a way you can get away with it though, just use the demo of Greeklish to Greek by ILSP. Be aware, they have a 255 character limit! Alternatively, use the
http://greeklishconverter.com/

Greeklish to Greek applications:
Code.gr (free)
All Greek to me! (All Greek to me! -commercial)

See also: How to translate Greeklish text (Greek in Latin characters) using machine translation.

Members whohave entered text in greeklish should use the Modify button to fix them.

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« Last Edit: 18 Mar, 2016, 20:10:47 by spiros »


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Re: IMPORTANT: The Rules!
« Reply #1 on: 13 Nov, 2004, 14:32:28 »
Great, Spiros!

I hope that all members will read the rules carefully and respects them.

I am particularly in favour of the rule concerning "Greeklish", which I find a bit... monsterous!
« Last Edit: 07 Jan, 2008, 16:59:46 by wings »

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Re: IMPORTANT: The Rules!
« Reply #2 on: 13 Nov, 2004, 14:58:18 »
Λογικό είναι, εάν μάλιστα έχει κανείς και αρχαιοελληνική / φιλολογική παιδεία φαίνεται ακόμη σημαντικότερο! (Για φαντάσου π.χ. έναν φιλόλογο που διδάσκει Αρχαία να γράφει με Greeklish!)
« Last Edit: 13 Nov, 2004, 15:25:59 by spiros »


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Re: IMPORTANT: The Rules!
« Reply #3 on: 13 Nov, 2004, 15:16:33 »
Tα οποία Greeklish αξίζει να σημειώσουμε πως χαρακτηρίζονται και από «αναρχία» μια κι ο καθένας γράφει ό,τι θέλει, όπως το θέλει και συνήθως ακολουθεί ένα κράμα κανόνων καταπώς τον βολεύει... αυτό κυρίως με εκνευρίζει.
« Last Edit: 07 Jan, 2008, 17:00:56 by wings »

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Re: IMPORTANT: The Rules!
« Reply #4 on: 13 Nov, 2004, 15:23:26 »
Βέβαια όσοι βαριούνται να βάζουν τόνους και να γράφουν Ελληνικά υπάρχει και μία άλλη λύση. Γράφτε το Greeklish και μετά πηγαίνετε  http://speech.ilsp.gr/greeklish/greeklishdemo.asp να το μετατρέψετε...

και μία μικρή προσθήκη στους κανόνες την οποία παραθέτω και εδώ....

And if this argument does not move you, what sort of impression, really, would you give to a putative client who might be reading the forum and trying to find a translator to assign his/her job? That of one who cannot be bothered to write proper Greek. And if one cannot be bothered to write proper Greek why should they bother to deliver proper translations?
« Last Edit: 13 Nov, 2004, 18:51:59 by spiros »

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Re: IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« Reply #5 on: 30 Dec, 2005, 12:19:31 »
Γειά σας φίλοι μεταφραστές!

Σας ευχαριστώ για την μνημόνευση της σελίδας μου, την Greeklish Nowhere! πού περιέχει το μοναδικό ΑΥΤΟΜΑΤΟ Ελληνικό πληκτρολόγιο του διαδυκτίου.  Ακόμα κι αν ο υπολογιστής σας δεν έχει Ελληνικό πληκτρολόγιο (ξένα γραφεία, σχολές, κλπ) κανένα πρόβλημα, γράφετε με Λατινιά, σας βγαίνουν Ελληνικά, και μετα κάνετε copy-paste όπου θέλετε.

Τό μόνο που θα ήθελα να επισημάνω είναι οτι το "Greeklish Nowhere" μπορεί να βάλει και τόνους.  Το αναφέρω, γιατι πιο πάνω λέτε (does not use accents).  Οι τόνοι γράφονται με ακριβώς τα ίδι πλήκτρα των Windows.

Επίσης, με την χρήση του ειδικού παράθυρου (Special Input), μπορείτε να γράψετε πολυτονικά, με το συστημα betacode, που χρησιμοποιεί η διεθνής κοινότητα Ελληνόφωνων ακαδημαϊκών.  Το σύστημα είναι εύκολο, και μαθαίνεται εντός 5' .

Ἂν σᾶς ἐνδιαφέρει κοιτάχτε ἐδώ

Ο απευθείας σύνδεσμος είναι¨
http://www.greeklish.net/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=32
ή, πιό απλά,  greeklish.net/edit

Ελπίζω να σας φανεί χρήσιμο.

Ευχαριστώ και ΚΑΛΗ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ.

The Greeklish Nowhere! management :)




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Re: IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« Reply #6 on: 30 Dec, 2005, 13:54:11 »
Αγαπητέ φίλε,

Όταν έλεγα για τους τόνους εννοούσα όταν όταν επικολλάς greeklish δεν το τονίζει αυτόματα (πράγμα που κάνει το εργαλείο του ΙΕΛ).

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Deletion of messages in Greeklish
« Reply #7 on: 15 Mar, 2006, 14:38:52 »
From today, any messages posted in Greeklish will be deleted and no more notices will be appended to those messages. There is a warning about Greeklish in the registration agreement as well as the rules.

Respect the moderators' time.

Thank you.

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Important: Forum Rules update!
« Reply #8 on: 04 Jun, 2008, 20:32:41 »
A new rule has been added. I would like to remind that the continued use of this web site following the posting of changes to these terms and conditions will mean the unconditional acceptance of those changes. If one disagrees with any of these changes then he/she should not continue using the current web site.


1.12 When a post can be answered on the forum, then it is considered inappropriate to provide an answer by any other means, be it in another forum, web site, etc., or following private communication via PM, email or any other possible means. This sort of activity is punishable and a ban may be applied without further warning, particularly when the ulterior motive is to lure members to other sites using the resources and the infrastructure provided by this site.

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Re: IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« Reply #9 on: 04 Jun, 2008, 23:49:58 »
Moreover, I would like to add, that no personal correspondence will be entered into with members regarding the rules (especially members who have repeatedly broken the rules in the past) and their modifications/additions. All such messages will be forwarded to the Junk mail folder.

We would be much obliged, if the people who do not appreciate the quality and services provided by this site, as well as its rules and management, kindly refrain from participating in this community. In fact, we are adamant that they should do so.
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Re: IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« Reply #10 on: 23 Sep, 2008, 11:11:54 »
Καθώς κάποιοι άνθρωποι όχι μόνο δεν έχουν τηρήσει τους κανόνες πριν, αλλά φυσικά, ούτε και μετά, ας υπενθυμίσω μερικά σημεία τους:

The forum moderators/administrators are not obliged to accept correspondence and give answers to members who have been banned. If you have been banned, this has been done for a good reason, and you will aggravate your position/decrease your chances of your ban being lifted if you try to get others to speak on behalf of you or communicate with an aggressive/intimidating way. Also, you have no right to request the deletion of your messages/account and no messages will be deleted unless there is a major legal issue involved.

Your behaviour and your communication during the ban period, will influence the duration of your ban. If you communicate aggressively, your ban will increase.

Επομένως, δεν γίνονται διαγραφές μηνυμάτων υφιστάμενων μελών, πόσο μάλλον αποκλεισμένων μελών.

Λογικά, πολλοί άνθρωποι αγνοούν γιατί υπάρχουν πειθαρχικές ποινές, διότι, στα μηνύματα που είδαν, ή που μπορούν να δουν, δεν έχουν δει τίποτε το «μεμπτό». Δυστυχώς όμως, δεν μπορούν να δουν ούτε τα μηνύματα που έχουν σβηστεί, ούτε την προσωπική αλληλογραφία, γι' αυτό καλύτερα, ας έχουν τις επιφυλάξεις τους.

Επίσης, όποιος έχει ενστάσεις/φόβους για πιθανή «παραποίηση» μηνυμάτων (εκτός από αφαίρεση απρεπειών/συνδέσμων και διόρθωση ορθογραφικών/γραμματικών σφαλμάτων), ας πληρώσει προγραμματιστή της εμπιστοσύνης του (καθώς και το translatum για τα έξοδα της διαδικασίας) για ανάκτηση και επιβεβαίωση από αντίγραφο ασφαλείας (σε χώρο με ταυτόχρονη παρουσία συντονιστή/διαχειριστή του translatum), με τον όρο, ότι σε περίπτωση που δεν ισχύει «παραποίηση» θα καταβάλει ένα σεβαστό ποσό ως αποζημίωση, τόσο για τον κόπο στον οποίο μας υπέβαλε όσο και για την προσβολή που ενέχει ένας τέτοιος ισχυρισμός, καθώς, επίσης, την υποχρέωση να ζητήσει δημόσια συγγνώμη.
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Re: IMPORTANT: The Forum Rules!
« Reply #11 on: 30 Jan, 2011, 12:06:19 »
A couple additions to the rules:

1.12 Do not post immediately after your own post. If you would like to add something to the last post, and nobody else has answered, you can press Modify and amend accordingly. Multiple consecutive posts by the same user clutter the forum and reduce readability.

[...]

11. Participation is the only reason for logging in. Users who log in almost on a daily basis for prolonged periods of time and never or hardly ever participate in the forum, are clearly not interested in contributing in any form whatsoever to the community. These users may retain their user status (i.e. avoid being banned) by being permanently logged out.

In order to continue accessing and using this forum in any form whatsoever one has to adhere to these rules.
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